Saturday, April 21, 2012

Dynamic Rants: The Body by (Soy-Based) Scam that is called Visalus

You have no idea

So, when you live in a bit of a self-dug cave (no Paleo pun intended, seriously), you tend to miss "goings-on" in various communities.  Lately, for me, it's been a circle of work/baby/work/sleep.  Rinse, repeat.   I actually had a pretty cool post of random news snippets, sound bites, and what-not, but this one had to happen.

I haven't had the luxury of free time, casual conversation, and most importantly, time to coach at my favorite kick-ass strength & conditioning facility, Crossfit Lethbridge.  But wow did I ever have an eye opener yesterday.  I had a great time coaching 11 & 12, but the convo after was like being punched in the groin.  Let me backtrack, and paint a wee picture.

A few weeks back a buddy of mine asked me to look into something called Body By Visalus(Just to be clear, I'm only linking Jimmy's article.  No way in fuck am I linking anything related to the actual company.  I'll explain shortly.)

Apparently, a family member was using it, and he wanted to know if was legit or not.  I had never heard of it (yes, that would be the rock I live under), so I did some digging.  And some digging.  And some digging.

My bullshit radar goes off REALLY fast when it take me more than a few clicky-clicks to find info on a product; I have a boatload of clients taking a LOT of various supplements, and while I love to be a one-man science experiment, I can't test everything at once.  So, I bust out my Google-Fu, and dig up a nutrition facts label and ingredient list.  BOTH are essential, for the record.

Looking for info on the "Body by Vi" protein shake led me to a plethora of slick MLM (multi-level-marketing) websites that made grandiose claims on nutritional quality, weight loss benefits, and cutting edge ingredients.  Only, actually finding a list is next to impossible.  Grrrr.

When I popped various keywords into Google, I came up with a bunch of spin-off sites aimed at EXACTLY what I was trying to do---find more info.  If you type in "scam" with Body by Vi, you get a bunch of pages that purposely try to sway your opinion that in fact it is NOT a scam.  It is highly irritating and mind-numbing.  By this time, my bullshit radar was hitting DEFCON-1.  Yeah, that bad.  And I hadn't even seen the damn ingredients yet.

Enter Jimmy Moore, the charismatic host of Livin' La Vida Low Carb.  *HE* dug up some solid info on what this shight was all about, and had a snazzy ingredient list post.  If you didn't click the first Body by Vi link, check it HERE.  Since Jimmy has done such an excellent job of tearing apart the product itself, I don't have a need to.  Soy protein isolate and Fibersol?  

Jackie wants to know.

Now that the picture has been painted, enter my beef:  Where it's being pushed.  

In my home.  In my garden.  In my temple of solitude.  In my Valhalla of rubber flooring, dusty chalk, harbor of C2s, and slowly swaying rings.  I know, I get a little emotional about it.  And then I get mad.

 Once again, you have no idea how much

SO this isn't to "name names" or call folks out, but how the F*CK can anyone with even a string of moral integrity pitch this stuff INSIDE a Crossfit box?  Soy protein isolate combined with a highly engineered digestion resistant form of corn.  Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot, hombre...  My mind was blown yesterday.  As I type, I'm literally shaking my head still.

I *get* the fact that the typical John-Q-Public would fall for this; it makes sense.  Slick advertising, pseudo-science, and best of all, convenience.  Who needs real food, all the time it takes to MAKE real food, and hey, there's like 30 servings of veggies AND you'll feel full all goddamn day so you only have to eat, like, once!!!  People buy that shit, they eat it up.  I get it.

But Crossfit athletes?  And more importantly, established Crossfit athletes selling this to members?  THAT, in my mind, is criminal.

I've been fortunate that I've been sheltered financially, if you will, by a full time gig as a firefighter; this hasn't given me piles of cash to roll around in, but enough for me to NOT have money as my motivation for either starting my business, coaching, or doing any nutritional or functional lab consulting.  I feel it's ESSENTIAL to deliver a quality product, first and foremost.  Money is a secondary item.  I like this view, as money fucks everything up.

When folks have money as the FIRST priority, well, we end up with a MLM product like BBV, and people willing to sell it, even though they KNOW it will do harm.  This, to me is unthinkable on an impressionable demographic: The New Crossfit Client.  These folks WANT to be lean, they WANT to be strong, they WANT performance.  Someone who is established and has the physique (that has NOT been built by Vi!!) pushing this stuff is going to leave an impression---and take money for a sub-par product that will NOT lead to results.

Let's be clear on two things before I sign off---I have no financial stake in this, and this is NOT being sold inside Crossfit Lethbridge.  This product is not "stealing" from me, and the owners of CFLA would smash folks like small bugs if they tried to sell this to our clients.  I can smash hard for a skinny guy, but I know a certain chica that reminds me of someone.  I'm just sayin'.  As far as financially for me, this product would probably fuck enough people up metabolically that I could have a lifetime of clients to test diagnostically.  I don't need, or want, that.  What I find offensive is the morals of the folks selling this, and where it's happening.

Let the comments roll.

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Where is your nutrition degree from? Could you please provide scientific, independent lab results and information for the Visalus product that you have.

Thank you
1 reply · active 557 weeks ago
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Not a Body By Vi Rep · 675 weeks ago

I am not a Body By Vi Rep! I just love the product, it has changed my life in so many great ways! People just need to try it to find out how great it is. They used SCIENCE to make this stuff better than nature can. Natural foods just make you fat and unhealthy, this has been SCIENTIFICALLY proven to do the opposite. I lost over 50 lbs in just 2 months and the only side effect was a not-so-insignificant case of GYNOMASTITIS! I AM NOT A BODY BY VI REP!
3 replies · active 657 weeks ago
Could you please post that you use Gravatar here? Ruins a perfectly good troll. Stupid Gravatar.
3 replies · active 675 weeks ago
So I read your about your training and I get that you have some basic knowledge of nutrition and that your main purpose is to promote your cross fit program to make money. If you would do your research on the science behind the Visalus product and what is used it would clear up a lot of mis information that you blog about. You don't understand that with 70% of the population is over weight only a small percentage of people can do what you suggest. Getting fit and healthy is a step by step process, I have met people, seen and witnessed thousands of transformations on the Visalus products. A person that is 50lbs plus over weight will not start with your extreme approach, but over time as they get results they will feel more confident to get involved in the more radical programs. Then they will grow their own food in soil that is not depleted of minerals, buy guns to kill their own meet, buy chickens for eggs etc un less you live in downtown anywhere, then you will have to rely on so called organic vegetables grown in depleted soils, animals that graze on grass soaked in chemicals. In other words we do not live in a perfect world and you can only do the best with the resources you have.
5 replies · active 606 weeks ago
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Heather G · 675 weeks ago

Mike is not about promoting Crossfit although he does a great job of coaching at a Crossfit facility. His views are not based on making money. His mind is open to any type of training that gets results for the goal at hand. I would say his knowledge of nutrition goes far beyond "the basics" and if you heard him speak you may feel the same. He is not promoting any extreme approaches to eating and nutrition. Our society has gotten so far from eating real food that even the suggestion of it makes you a "radical" Mike is all about reserach and spends every spare minute of his time sifting through research articles and compiling data.It is my understanding that he spent an immense amount of time trying to find the "science" on the Visalus products but there is not much to be found. He changes his opinions as he grows and learns and I think he tries to open the lines of communication for others to do the same. I think your perception of his intent and his character is way off.
1 reply · active 675 weeks ago
Holy shit Bill, how long have you had your head up your a$$?
Getting fit and healthy is a 2 step process!
1.) Stop eating shit
2.) Get your ass off the damn couch

It has nothing to do with confidence, it takes making a decision and following through, a lifestyle change. Stay fat and die or start doing something and live, pretty easy decision to me. There doesn't have to be anything extreme about working out if you balance your diet with your "preferred" type of exercise things will work out. Why even talk about silly bullshit supplements?
2 replies · active 666 weeks ago
Great post - thanks for writing. I've been disappointed with folks all over the CrossFit universe slingin' Visalus as if it was made of things that are good for you.

Then again, when you're a MLM company making $230M a year, you've got a lot of people invested in your success: http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/13/top-domains-visalus-dishes-out-825k-to-buy-challenge-com-vi-com/

Sad.
1 reply · active 673 weeks ago
Hi. I picked up your website from Jimmy Moore's New Paleo, Low-Carb & Health Blogs list for May 2012. I run a low carb/paleo blog and want to welcome you to the neighborhood! Jimmy has been a great help to me and if I can help you, just let me know. I run a news channel on my site (see below), so if you have some low carb or paleo news you'd like me to consider, please let me know at my email address: Joe at CravingSugar.net
Put "news" someplace in your email title so I won't miss it, please! My main site is http://CravingSugar.net and the news channel is http://CravingSugar.net/news/
Thanks and hope to hear from you...
...Joe Lindley...
I find it interesting that Bill seems to be the only one that is speaking respectfully. He's right about the obesity problem that we have in America, and that Visalus has helped a lot of people get healthy. You may not feel it is good for people that do cross fit to use, but for Heaven's sake, look outside of your box a little. There are not many people inside your box. The general population is not getting off their couch and they are eating crap all day long. If a product like Vi can help them turn this around, I would think a fitness professional would be all for it. Bill is also right in saying as a person gets in better shape and starts feeling better about themselves, they are more willing to go to the effort of fixing better food. They feel more like going to the gym. All I'm saying is that you might ease up a little. Most times it's these kinds of attitudes that keep overweight people out of the gym. People that are 50, 75, or even a 100lbs overweight, feel bad enough about themselves. They don't need people telling them how fat and lazy they are.
Steph,

Points addressed:
"I find it interesting that Bill seems to be the only one that is speaking respectfully."

I have no time, patience, or respect for purposeful ignorance. And especially for cognitive dissonance regarding what is being sold, and the moral intentions, or lack thereof, behind it.

"He's right about the obesity problem that we have in America, and that Visalus has helped a lot of people get healthy."

I 100% agree that there's an obesity problem; one of the (many) reasons is lack of proper education regarding food. Has Visalus helped people lose weight? Sure. A hypocaloric, nutrient devoid diet will do that. Has it helped people get HEALTHY? I'd argue, beyond loss of adipose and potential return of insulin sensitivity, that is hasn't. In fact, it's probably done more harm than good in the fact folks are still ignorant about nutrition, and now dependent on Visalus products. Ahh, but THAT'S the key behind billion dollar MLM companies, isn't it?

"The general population is not getting off their couch and they are eating crap all day long. If a product like Vi can help them turn this around, I would think a fitness professional would be all for it."

Hardly! That's what's called a fucking shortcut, and that's more than half the reason people end up in the situation they are in---not willing to put forth the effort. Day-um, I'll just drink this shake and eat this cookie. To hell with hard work and trying to re-educate myself about real food.

"Bill is also right in saying as a person gets in better shape and starts feeling better about themselves, they are more willing to go to the effort of fixing better food."

Once again, no-go. If a shortcut is "working" (I use that term sarcastically), why the hell would someone with a lack of motivation or drive do anything more? This goes straight back to what the company wants---sheep that just barely have enough energy to open their wallets, for more magic soy mix.

"All I'm saying is that you might ease up a little. Most times it's these kinds of attitudes that keep overweight people out of the gym. People that are 50, 75, or even a 100lbs overweight, feel bad enough about themselves. They don't need people telling them how fat and lazy they are."

No. There will be no "easing up". There will be no room for sub-par nutrition, at least in my circle. I have treated/coached/helped hundreds of clients---without the use of a manufactured frankenfood. Attitudes like mine do not keep people out of any gym...people keep themselves out of the gym. The "acceptance" of shit food, acceptance that being morbidly obese is "normal", the naive, helpless, sheep-like lackadaisical attitude of the general public, and the companies that enable and empower this attitude, is what keeps people out of the gym.

And dependent on brutally nutrient devoid, profit-driven products like Visalus.

End Point: I have bigger issues with the folks selling it in "my little box", versus peddling it to soccer moms and desk jockeys, because, up until recently, there was a pretty strong ethic behind proper education. Unfortunately, some folks seem to care about chasing dollars than creating success....with clients. THAT'S who this post was intended to.
Nice Mike, good answer!
Mr. Poly:

Did you steal your profile pic from this guy..... .http://board.crossfit.com/showthread.php?t=49154
2 replies · active 639 weeks ago
I am a promoter and use the product. I was TOTALLY against it until I saw results! I'm CONTINUOUSLY researching more info. My regional director is a RESEARCH freak and even breastfed her baby while on Vi...cause the myth about breastfeeding slimming you down doesn't work w/all mommy's. ALSO, I LOVE to exercise, and I recently had no time to do so, AND I also have Sciatica, so if I CAN'T exercise and I'm getting older, but eating the same...how do I manage my weight? YOU or a nutritionist would PROBABLY say, cut calories! I DID! With VISALUS!!! And started eating MORE fruits and veggies too! CHANGE one thing and many things change! Sorry you haven't tried it and don't want to but I LOVE IT!! Good luck to you!!
1 reply · active 639 weeks ago
You can eat healthy and have better results, I had a lady talking to me about their products and how much money I was going to save by using them.. really? I had to cook a meal for my husband and kids and on top of that buy the shakes, and it's not nice not being part of the family during a meal, they claim to have great results and I don't doubt it, but I believe that most of it is for the support you get and the exercise, not the shakes.
I already lost 11 pounds in 1 month just changing the way I eat, I doing 30 - 45 minutes of exercise at home, without having to spend any money and believe me eating real food is better than drinking one shake

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